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Nerida Murphy

I completely disagree with your take on Marketing Guru's - marketing professionals are never "removed" from the consumer space - at the end of the day we are all consumers. The main difference is that marketing personnel have unique insights into why, how and when consumers purchase. If you don't then change jobs.What you're actually describing is the difference between a true marketing guru and someone who is a poor marketer who claims the title. These types of people are not just limited to marketing - but to all careers and management levels. Further I disagree with your "tool" comment - marketing requires creativity you can have all (or claim to have all) the marketing insights in the world, but if you can't utilise that information in a meaningful way that makes a difference to both your bottom line and your customers again - change jobs!

T.M. Harris

It sounds like this guy got screwed over by a 'Marketing Guru' in the past.

Honestly, I don't buy your whole article at all, bro.

I AM NOT A TOOL! I am a human being! To subject myself to admitting I'm a tool, is nothing more than self-belittlement, and I refuse to subject myself to that.

There ARE marketing gurus who can truly research and understand what a market wants. The GURUS you're talking about just don't give a damn about the market, and have no interest in truly researching it to their fullest potential.

You get a D+ for effort, but I'm not buying it, bro.

Tom Brzezina

Marketing professionals who believe they can still see things from the consumers point of view are extremely dangerous. First, for the reason you mention in your post—our perception is skewed by our profession. Second, no matter how objective we try to be, our point of view is always subjective. There's a strong tendency in all of us to assume that others believe, feel, and prefer as we do. Social psychologists call this tendency the false-consensus effect. Until you go "out in the street to find out", there is really only one thing you know for sure about the consumer: he or she is not you.

Peter Korchnak

Yes, do beware of marketing gurus, especially those that call themselves that. But, if you'll think of yourself as a tool, a tool you shall be.

I'd be curious to hear how many students walk out during the "I am a tool" exercise, whose resemblance to the military's suppression of the individual is uncanny. If no student walks out, marketing is doomed.

mark ritson

Great discussion - but I have to say that only Tom really gets it. Our individual experiences are very dangerous as any kind of barometer for marketing strategy. First because we are fundamentally biased by crossing the threshold from being a consumer to becoming part of the organization. How many bad marketers have I met who are bad because their skewed perception drives all their insights. Even if we weren't biased (and we are) you represent a single kind of consumer - and usually there are multiple segments in any market all with very different perspectives.

And Nerida, oh my! There are two classic mistakes from marketers who don't get marketing. One of them is that marketing is a funademantally creative challenge. Nonsense. If you are doing marketing right you are insightful, inspired, analytical, rational and strategic. But you are not creative.

I work with 2 or 3 of the most creative brands in the world and with their superb marketers and none of us do creative stuff. Marketers analyze, understand and strategize. And then, and this is where you really need to pay careful attention, you learn to brief the creative people.

Creativity is something marketers do awfully (the ignorant ones think they do it well). You hire a great creative agency or a great creative director to do this part for you. The big skill for marketers to learn is how to brief. I spent 3 days working with senior executives here in Europe to help them brief creative people (we use Parsons when we do this in the US, and St martins in Europe) in the right way.

I totally respect your viewpoint Nerida. But asking me to switch jobs is a bit much. I think you need to step back. You are sounding very guru like.

Tom gets it. I get it. The rest of you guys are dangerously off the pace. And that ratio of 2/5 marketers who get it is about right for our whole industry.

Brandon R Allen

Beware of a "guru" in any space quite frankly. The word is way overused and has lost it's meaning whether it's in marketing or some other industry. The people who have a problem with this article currently have the word guru somewhere in their professional bio.

Burak Babacan

Marketing guru qualifications : Mind reading and fortune telling.

A guru is perceived as "the reader of the minds of consumers/customers" in a dynamic way as he is always up to date and accurate.
He knows what customer wants & needs.

Also he is a "fortune teller", as he is able to say the future behavior of individuals and markets. He can spot the trends and evolving behaviors before they exist.
He knows what customers will want and need in the future.

From my experience, I can tell that you cant read minds. You can observe and try to make an educated guess. Still it is a guess.

Future trends can be spotted easily when you are looking backwards. After they have happened, it is always obvious that such a trend would emerge. So, if someone is trying to explain to you the future by explaining past, forget about it.

I think we should humble ourselves and admit that we know nothing. I always start with the assumption that I know nothing about my customer. From that point, slowly and meticulously, I try to make my educated guesses.

For trends, best is to make a scenario analysis. Lots of brainstorming and alternative realities. Who knows, maybe we will spot one.

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