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Petra

Can you really claim that people are not brands? Is it really that simple? Don't people have intangible and tangible values that differentiate them from others, just like services or products do? I would certainly not say that Michael Phelps could confer meaning only through associations with brands, but rather through his athletic achievements and personal conduct. Not so long ago another branding expert said that everything could be branded. The branding expert was Brad VanAuken, here on BSI. It would be quite interesting to hear his thoughts on the subject :)

Mark Ritson

It's a common error to assume that people, countries and cities are all brands. Yes, they all possess symbolic meaning but as I point out in my post so do road signs. The point is that brands are more than just a cluster of meanings. On the consumer side you have to be able to purchase them and own them, on the organisational side you have to be able to control and alter them if you so choose. Neither applies to people like Michael Phelps.

Do you own him when you buy a box of cereal with is name on it? Could we reposition Phelp's personality and talents if we decided a strategic review was needed - perhaps into an intense soccer player?

Put it another way. We have an extensive academic body of work on celebrity endorsement in the Journal of Consumer Research for example, starting with the superb work of Grant McCracken. We also have an extensive and empirically verified series of papers on Co-Branding published in journals like the Journal of Brand Management. Even a cursory look at these two literatures confirm that the relationship between two brands, and between a celebrity and a brand, are entirely different. If we were to accept the premise of celebrities as brands we would have to unite these two disparate literatures somehow.

There is a final and most important rationale for rejecting people as brands. To do so would be to commit what Marx called "the commodification of self". When we turn people into brands their humanity is lost. Yes we use people to sell brands, but when we start to use the literature on brands to sell people we forget the essential humanity that sets apart people from things.

This terrible literature that teaches people to market themselves or brand themselves asks people to become products, and in doing so, asks them to forget the things that makes human beings very different from baked beans.

I am all for brands, I spend my life working on them, but it is a fundamental and very common mistake to assume we can apply our knowledge to the sociology and psychology of the human condition. For both theoretical, practical and philosophical reasons it makes no sense.

Brad VanAuken

Petra,

You're right, I've stated this repeatedly. In this case Mark and I have a difference of opinion.

Brands are the source of promises to consumers. They promise relevant differentiated benefits. They can make these promises because they are the personifications of products, services, organizations or other entities. Brands have personalities, they possess character and they can stand for something. I have long contended that not only can companies and their products and services be branded, but so also can colleges and universities and museums and other not-for-profit organizations and municipalities and countries and musical groups and yes, even individuals.

While most people do not need to be personified, some arguably do. Indeed, many celebrities are packaged as brands. The trick is to draw out a person’s authentic brand, one that is true to him or her. The same is true with all other brands. And authenticity usually reveals a combination of positive and not so positive attributes. The role of the brand marketer is to accentuate the positive attributes, especially those that will give the brand an advantage in the marketplace.

Some celebrities recover nicely from a crisis situation and some do not, just as some companies do and some don’t. For some celebrities, a brush with the law or the demonstration of particularly lewd behavior is not a crisis at all. It is a PR opportunity. Yes, depending on the intended personality, all publicity can be good publicity.

Regarding using celebrities to endorse products or to be spokespeople for them can often be problematic. Remember Anita Bryant and Sunkist or O.J. Simpson and Hertz as Mark mentioned above. While I think Tiger Woods is a perfect endorsement for Nike (the “authentic athletic performer” [Nike’s brand essence] just doing it [Nike’s tagline]), that relationship could still be problematic depending upon how Tiger Woods conducts himself in public and private.

Branding is the process of managing identity and perception. This can be done for anything.

Brad VanAuken

Mark –

I agree with you that the “commoditization of self” is a bad idea. That is why I focus on self-reflection and self-discovery (the examined life) as a key component of personal branding. Rather than simplifying or labeling the self, I try to identify the core qualities of the self and focus on those qualities that will best help the individual achieve his or her intended ends. I understand that few personal branding coaches may approach personal branding in this way.

Brad

Petra

Although I am a huge fan of your writing Mark, I would have to say that this time you haven't quite convinced me. I do not think that what defines the brand is the possibility of owning it, but rather the differentiating values that it embodies. And although Phelps can not be repositioned into an intense soccer player, he can well be repositioned into an immoral punk. At this moment, Brad's arguments seem well argued and sound more convincing to me. Especially when people focus on using their qualities in order to improve themselves rather than just trying to improve their cash accounts. Anyway, thank you both for making this an interesting debate.

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