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Robert Hatta

Mark,

I found your short comments on how Virgin extends its brand to be rare and thoughtful. The Virgin group of companies only has only 2 real success stories (Virgin Atlantic and Virgin Mobile UK), and the rest is smoke and mirrors. Kudos to Sir Richard, a true marketeer and self promoter. But as you state, the road is littered (especially in North America) with failed Virgin companies and burned finance partners. TPG lost their shirts on Virgin Entertainment (Virgin Megastores in the US) and has vowed never again to work with Branson. Virgin drinks shut down after a couple of years. As you note, Virgin Singapore never got off the ground and most of the non-airline companies, though still operating, are not leaders in their respective markets. Virgin Mobile USA (a company I know well) is on the verge of being delisted from the NYSE.

The standard model for Virgin is to bring trade to the brand for capital when launching a new line. In the case of Virgin Mobile, Singtel put in $50 million before pulling the plug. In the US, Sprint PCS, Best Buy, and holders of $600 million in debt, will be left holding the bag after the MVNO closes its doors.

A truly thoughtful discussion in your class would be one that asks the question, "How does Branson continue to convince other entities to risk their capital, when there are so few examples of success?"

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Robert

Gabriel Rossi

Brand extensions tend to serve the company and not the customer. It’s sad how the pressure from stock markets to always be growing causes good business to over extend and fail. Google, for example, is stretching its limits too hard by moving into the mobile business. The brand is associated with content not stuff. It may be all right in the short term, but it’ll cause brand dillution in the long run…

It takes a lot of time to fix an idea inside the prospects mind. Why should we play with it?

Focus is still the magic concept because we do business with whom we trust and admire. In this case, trustness means specialization.

Great brands stand for a word in the mind rather than 4 or 5.

Cheers

Gabriel Rossi- Brazil

Katie Caputo

Interesting, insightful post - however, (albeit I'm aware this post was made a couple of years ago) - the comment " The Virgin group of companies only has only 2 real success stories (Virgin Atlantic and Virgin Mobile UK), and the rest is smoke and mirrors" is arguably inaccurate - Virgin Media? Virgin Money? Virgin Radio? Virgin Active? None of these can be described as "smoke and mirrors", surely? All carry a lot of clout, at least in the UK. It seems blinkered not to count them as vital organs in the Virgin empire... though admittedly there have been a lot of failures, there have also been more than 2 successes!

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