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Robert Kingston

Hey Mark,

Interesting article. This article really struck a chord with me.

This reminds me of how I entered the workforce as a marketer. Somehow when doing plans for clients and the business I work in, I really couldn't bring myself to doing an academic marketing plan, complete with SWOT, PESTE and Porters. Eck... They're so contrived and overly formal - I doubt many of our own clients even use them. The way I see it, if the strengths, weaknesses, opportunities and threats are not obvious to you, you probably shouldn't be orchestrating the marketing.

As for Maslow... Haha.

I do have to disagree with you on the brand vocabulary point, though. Going through uni I found a LOT of literature which used different words to describe the same things. Even though someone might be all over the place with vocabulary, if they have a thorough understanding of the core ideas in branding, they should be apt for the job.

Although, I guess it all comes down to the work they're going to be doing for you. If it's a branding agency, then I'd be careful.

Tate Linden

Mark -

Great read. I like your point about Maslow. I hear a lot of folks talk about these sorts of needs - and it just never adds up to a sale for me.

Like Robert I think that the vocabulary is open to interpretation. Perhaps your point is that brand positioning is where the pitch should focus - and that is fine - but the sub components of what your brand should be are still valid. Part of your positioning is likely to be the brand personality, values, essence, or whatever else you believe the positioning is made of. To me it seems that you're just choosing to keep the discussion at a higher level - and that's fine. For a simplified sales approach it absolutely makes sense - but if you're part of a firm that believes that the brand is in the details... then I don't see a reason not to trot out the dictionary, thesaurus, and whatever else will help you sell that message.

A last thought. The word "brand" itself is becoming less useful by the day. I'm halfway convinced that we should drop the word from our corporate vocabulary because no two people define it the same - even within the same branding company.

Perhaps there should be a qualification to be a branding firm - if your own experts can't agree on what "brand" means then you can't be in the industry.

Oh what I would give to live in that world...

Lex

Advertising is all about emotion.
Maslow was used ever since Y&R's "values and lifestyles" became big.
It is still successfully used in politics.
Similar models are used since the days of Edward Bernays, when Freud was still the big thing. Rokeach' end values were based on the top of Maslow's theory, and I find them useful everyday.

I also disagree with you on Brand Personality.
David Ogilvy already pointed out it's importance.
A brand is a word that lives inside the mind of the consumer.
It has a tone-of-voice, a way of behaving etc etc; the brand is a person.

Ted Grigg

To me, there is one ineptitude I see over and over in many agencies. They run away from accountability when it comes to growing the client’s business.

The function of advertising is about making money for clients. Yet many agency leaders tell me that only tactics have associated ROIs, but successful strategies defy financial evaluation.

If I am going to spend millions of dollars on advertising, then I had better see convincing data that it will improve my bottom line.

Devon

As others have already pointed out, there are other useful considerations in building a brand than just the three mentioned in the post. Typical brand positioning statements don't get into qualities such as brand personality, but that's a key factor my branding agency considers when creating brand names. It's not unusual to have a short list of 8 names--each of which nails the competitive brand positioning--but find nuances in tone that make some names fit the brand better than others.

Gavin Heaton

I see Maslow and SWOT quite a lot. Unfortunately they are widespread -- but rather than spending a lot of time trying to un-do their influence I tend to try and focus on what you CAN get out of them. They can lead nicely into discussions around positioning, audience, architecture and measurement.

Matthew Hodgson

You're very right to suggest that Maslow may not have got it right with respect to his Hierarchy of Needs. There is much research that suggests that indeed certain needs can be met before others. However, that's as far as your comments align with the decades of social psychology research.

Humans are social creatures with social needs that motivate us to behave in a way that meets those needs. Anthropologists and linguists even suggest it's why we evolved language. But any psychologist knows that's not where motivation theory ends. What of the theories of group dynamics? Need theory?

Unfortunately, how people think and behave is much more complex than you can teach in a marketing degree or an MBA. If they've come out thinking otherwise then I'd say they've missed the point n'est pas?

M

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